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. >> reporter: in 2005, bergoglio was runner-up behind joseph ratzinger to replace the late pope john paul ii. he is regarded as a strong defender of catholic doctrine, described by his biographer as a balancing force. he earned a reputation in argentina as a fierce advocate for the poor. >> this is a man of god, a man of the new evangelization, a man who is a great defender of democracy in a country where democracy is under real stress right now in argentina. >> reporter: choosing to become pope francis, he takes the name of 13th-century preacher st. francis aseesie, who lived a life of poverty. no surprise to those who know him. >> you can see the humility of the man, you can see the calm of the man, and i can tell you, i know the strength of the man and the compassion of the man. >> reporter: his election has sparked excitement in latin america, both out of cultural pride and the recognition of the growing importance and influence of that part of the world. >> bergoglio brings latin america to rome and to the world. >> that was lester holt reporting. in a statement, president obama
. >> reporter: in 2005, bergoglio was runner-up behind joseph ratzinger to replace the late pope john paul ii. he is regarded as a strong defender of catholic doctrine, described by his biographer as a balancing force. he earned a reputation in argentina as a fierce advocate for the poor. >> this is a man of god, a man of the new evangelization, a man who is a great defender of democracy in a country where democracy is under real stress right now in argentina. >> reporter:...
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cardinal joseph ratzinger was elected in the fastest conclave. it came in day two of the conclave. back in 2005, black smoke came in at 6:52 and white smoke came in about six hours later at 12:50 p.m. joining me is george. we've had no pope. at what point is the pivot point for the voting that will take place behind the scenes today, the narrowing down, at least, of the candidates? >> they are certainly going to be narrowing down, thomas. that may have in fact began already. the first vote, as you know last night, is full of complementary votes that don't really give you an indication, that gives the cardinals an indication of where the lay of the land lies. but they ought to have some reasonable idea now after this morning two ballots who has real traction, if anyone, and one can imagine after lunch and the typical italian reposo who may not have taken a nap this afternoon that some of the coalitions are being readjusted and cardinals are thinking now as they reenter the sistine chapel. >> so you talk about those adjustments. if the conclave were to end quickly, after this next vo
cardinal joseph ratzinger was elected in the fastest conclave. it came in day two of the conclave. back in 2005, black smoke came in at 6:52 and white smoke came in about six hours later at 12:50 p.m. joining me is george. we've had no pope. at what point is the pivot point for the voting that will take place behind the scenes today, the narrowing down, at least, of the candidates? >> they are certainly going to be narrowing down, thomas. that may have in fact began already. the first...
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behind those walls, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel it. i mean, at this moment. well, there you go. at the same time, when you see the -- when you see the swiss guards kind of ending their duty for the time being, i can't help but thinking of the whole history of the papacy. they're a personal guard of the pope because the pope is attacked before. the vatican has been attacked in the 20 centuries of church. even though there's surprises in the past, the schurch is still here and god is still working through the church and so i feel a lot of hope, as well. kind of excitement about what might -- what the next couple of weeks might bring. >> we see the th
behind those walls, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel...
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>> because he's along the line of joseph ratzinger. he thinks much like the president pope does. he's not as a lucid writer and speaker as the present pope, as benedict xvi was. he's been the head of two major italian diocese in venice and milan. >> just to be clear, again, i asked both george and father to give us the names of the people not necessarily who they think are front-runners but who they are hearing buzz about and i was surprised, father gahl, you put cardinal timothy dolan. i'm not surprised he's buzzed about here in the states but is there talk about him in the vatican? >> there's definitely talk about him in the vatican. historically also profound while at the same time being filled with cheerfulness, optimism about the faith. this is a part of the legacy of pope benedict, that he's left this legacy of the joy that all of us as christians could have. and i think cardinal dolan fills every room that he entered with joy. >> born in argentina to italian parents, i guess he pushes two geographic buttons. what else? >> i once asked cardinal sandri, do you think of yours
>> because he's along the line of joseph ratzinger. he thinks much like the president pope does. he's not as a lucid writer and speaker as the present pope, as benedict xvi was. he's been the head of two major italian diocese in venice and milan. >> just to be clear, again, i asked both george and father to give us the names of the people not necessarily who they think are front-runners but who they are hearing buzz about and i was surprised, father gahl, you put cardinal timothy...
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you know, with the last election, we all knew joseph ratzinger and so did they, but there's nobody like that now, and with the scandals that are there, the first thing they have to do is make absolutely sure in every way that whomever they pick is spotless. >> exactly. >> and they don't know how to do that. they don't know how. i mean what are they going to do, call the head of the knights of columbus? they don't know how to do it. >> to me it's one of the most crucial moments in the church's history right now if you look at what happened with this huge scandal with pedophiles in the church. it's gone through every diocese and you're stacked with catholics. i'm catholic, i was an altar boy. i went to catholic university. all of that. i think we're at that moment in time where they have to make a decision, actually similar to the republican party in the same exact thing, they could either retrench and become a minority institution or they can expand. youth are leaving the church. minorities in the developed world are leaving church. there's no role -- women don't feel a real role in the
you know, with the last election, we all knew joseph ratzinger and so did they, but there's nobody like that now, and with the scandals that are there, the first thing they have to do is make absolutely sure in every way that whomever they pick is spotless. >> exactly. >> and they don't know how to do that. they don't know how. i mean what are they going to do, call the head of the knights of columbus? they don't know how to do it. >> to me it's one of the most crucial moments...
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this may last longer than it took to pick joseph ratzinger. they may need the time. >> they have to pick the right person, and they have to take into account the sexual abuse that's gone on and make sure the next pope is a better ambassador than perhaps pope benedict was, right? young and vibrant and able to connect with young catholics. >> absolutely. and we know this. we know he's one of the men in the room, right? one of the 115 cardinals. he doesn't have to be. could have to pick somebody to be over 80 years of age and not a cardinal at all. in all reality, it will be one of the younger cardinals who is won of the election fors and some suggest a pope alone may not be enough. when you have a new pope, you have a new vatican council. things that need to be changed are of such dimension, proportion, impact on the church it will take a referendum, and one of the frustrations, satellite communications aside, it's hard to report when all of the guys know what's going on are your honor secrecy under threat of excommunication. >> hard to break a
this may last longer than it took to pick joseph ratzinger. they may need the time. >> they have to pick the right person, and they have to take into account the sexual abuse that's gone on and make sure the next pope is a better ambassador than perhaps pope benedict was, right? young and vibrant and able to connect with young catholics. >> absolutely. and we know this. we know he's one of the men in the room, right? one of the 115 cardinals. he doesn't have to be. could have to...
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so cardinal joseph ratzinger seemed an obvious choice. this time there is no such obvious front runner and no simple, single, overriding issue that's driving the reflection, which is why a lot of us believe this conclave may be a little bit more complex and it may take a little bit longer for the cardinals to reach consensus. >> all right. all right, john, let's come back here to new york for a second. melinda, let me ask you, when you're looking at this from the outside, other than the timing which you know i'm completely obsessed with, that's mainly because i have to figure out when i have to get to rome, but when we're looking at what might be different this time, that's the excitement, right? what are you looking at from the outside? what do you think the possibilities here are? and are we being too excited? >> in terms of the candidates or in terms of what we're going to see going forward? >> because pope benedict has created precedent here by saying i'm resigning, this is the best thing for the church, will that idea, what's best fo
so cardinal joseph ratzinger seemed an obvious choice. this time there is no such obvious front runner and no simple, single, overriding issue that's driving the reflection, which is why a lot of us believe this conclave may be a little bit more complex and it may take a little bit longer for the cardinals to reach consensus. >> all right. all right, john, let's come back here to new york for a second. melinda, let me ask you, when you're looking at this from the outside, other than the...
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one was the american cardinal and joseph ratzinger you may have heard of who became benedict xvi. this time you have 50 conclave veterans in the sistine chapel, and i think therefore will be more inclined to think they ought to have say in what's happening. >> and i believe some 67 who have been elevated to cardinal by benedict xvi. >> that's right. all 115 were appointed by john paul or benedict. >> so as catholics around the world look to the possible direction the church might take, and in america we know there's a big wing of the roman catholics who is looking for a more progressive, more modern catholic church, that addresses the real issues of living in today's 21st century world, other parts of the word are much more traditional, much more conservative model. how do you see it going forward and to you think there will be an american pope for the first time? >> an american pope is a long shot, but for the first time it's thinkable. in the old idea you couldn't have a super power pope because america is too powerful and if you put that guy in, half the world will think vatica
one was the american cardinal and joseph ratzinger you may have heard of who became benedict xvi. this time you have 50 conclave veterans in the sistine chapel, and i think therefore will be more inclined to think they ought to have say in what's happening. >> and i believe some 67 who have been elevated to cardinal by benedict xvi. >> that's right. all 115 were appointed by john paul or benedict. >> so as catholics around the world look to the possible direction the church...
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they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in the catholic church. on the one hand, the church teaches that the condition of same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, those are ratzinger's own words from 1986, but we know about half if not all of people attracted to the seminaries are gay themselves. >> ratzinger is pope benedict. is this true? >> i think you have to step back for a second, erin. this is hardly a news flash. father donald cousins wrote about this 20 years ago. father andrew greeley coined the phrase lavender mafia talking about a subculture within the catholic church. but barbie was quite right. this is focusing the electorate's
they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in the...
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member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul. >> completely open. >> reporter: what was he like to talk to? >> very -- he would ask me what my interests were and how i felt and how i saw things. >> reporter: and with a sense of humor, like when benedict offered to sign widmer's copy of a book that he written which was pretty thick. >> when i gave it to him he said, you're really reading this? and i said, i'm trying. he said, it helps to do it in small steps. >> reporter: but he also had a personal crisis as a guard, spending his first christmas away from home. john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of
member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul....
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ratzinger was the last time around. but there are perhaps two or three figures one could say are the next tier down. cardinal angelo shokoal, cardin mark willet, who runs the power for bishops, a deeply spiritual figure and perhaps leonardo sandri, a career vatican official a man that brings the first world and the third world together. we shall see if one of those guys breaks through. >> reporter: indeed and, of course, there may even be a cardinal from the third world, the developing world, who might be elevated. we're going to interview the american cardinal timothy dolan in a few hours from now. we'll have that live on cnn and he's used an awful lot of colorful language to insist he's not the next pope. but his name is constantly cropping up as well. soledad? >> we're already taking bets on who the next successor will be, i'm not surprised about that, guys, thank you. pope benedict xvi will be staying at the picturesque castel gandolfo, southeast of rome. it's a small castle thtle and b anderson is there for us now.
ratzinger was the last time around. but there are perhaps two or three figures one could say are the next tier down. cardinal angelo shokoal, cardin mark willet, who runs the power for bishops, a deeply spiritual figure and perhaps leonardo sandri, a career vatican official a man that brings the first world and the third world together. we shall see if one of those guys breaks through. >> reporter: indeed and, of course, there may even be a cardinal from the third world, the developing...
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that was joseph ratzinger. so, it was a major moment for him. what is the context this time with angelo sodano? >> well, slightly different, chris. i think a lot of people will tell you that the homily ratzinger gave in 2005 sort of solidified his status as the front-runner going into that conclave. now, this time, the dynamic is not the same. cardinal angelo sodano is already over 80. he's 85, so he's not going to be in the sistine chapel. for that reason alone, probably, he would be a radical long-shot to be elected pope. but in addition, he's sort of identified with the old guard in the vatican, and as we were talking earlier, there is kind of a strong antiestablishment mood among these cardinal electors that indicates many of them would like to see a change. and so, i don't think anyone believes that sodano is in a position to propel himself forward as a candidate. however, this is sort of a last opportunity for the ruling regime in the vatican, so to speak, to be able to make its case as to why continuity, rather than discontinuity, would b
that was joseph ratzinger. so, it was a major moment for him. what is the context this time with angelo sodano? >> well, slightly different, chris. i think a lot of people will tell you that the homily ratzinger gave in 2005 sort of solidified his status as the front-runner going into that conclave. now, this time, the dynamic is not the same. cardinal angelo sodano is already over 80. he's 85, so he's not going to be in the sistine chapel. for that reason alone, probably, he would be a...
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ratzinger e. was kind of the john paul thee would cover ii. there are specialized reporters here in the vatican. there is not a consensus on who might be a frontrunner. there is also i think a real openess to something pretty spaoeugs, a radical, not necessarily one ever the italians. there are three kind of major italians in playwright now. we have have a milan. the vatican, and the head of the bishop's conference. those would be the most likely italians. with all the things going on with the scandal with the butler and all of that it seems that the cardinals are having, what do we think about this guy who we might never have thought of before? very interesting times here in the vatican. martha: it feels like there are three major issues, you have the inner workings of the vatican, that encompasses the vatileaks portion, and that report to find out what was going on, nobody has seen that report. you have creeping secularism in european at home in the united states, that is a big concern and the g
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ratzinger, and that's christophe shone born of i vienna. he's el quantity, he's very intelligence, he's written many books. he speaks many languages, and he would be a person that some would say looks like a young john paul or ii. rick: robert moynihan inside the vatican magazine editor. thank you so much for your insights today. we appreciate your time. father jonathan morris is a fox news contributor, he joins us on the phone. always nice to talk to you, father morris, and as we watch the beginning of this conclave, your thoughts today? >> well, rick, and jenna lee, it's good to be talking with you. a lot of mixed emotions. i guess the biggest emotion for me was being with cardinal dolan this morning, very early in the morning, 6:45 as he's packing his bag and getting ready to leave. and, you know, just knowing that without, certainly, him looking for amazingly in the last week or two the winds have definitely been pushing if in the direction of -- in the direction of the only of an american candidate as pope. and it was moving just to wa
ratzinger, and that's christophe shone born of i vienna. he's el quantity, he's very intelligence, he's written many books. he speaks many languages, and he would be a person that some would say looks like a young john paul or ii. rick: robert moynihan inside the vatican magazine editor. thank you so much for your insights today. we appreciate your time. father jonathan morris is a fox news contributor, he joins us on the phone. always nice to talk to you, father morris, and as we watch the...
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. >> reporter: joseph ratzinger was elected pope benedict xvi in april of 2005. the college of cardinals did not pick an unknown quantity. he was considered one of the catholic church's finest minds. he was the professor watching the back of his star-like predecessor john paul ii, whom he served as a trusted adviser and friend. many expected the severe german cardinal would bring his strict style to the papacy, and in some ways, he has. he reaffirmed the church's strong opposition to abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. in his first major ruling as pope, he imposed restrictions on homosexuals becoming priests. in the year following his election, during a trip to germany, pope benedict made perhaps the most controversial remarks of his papacy, addressing a group of scholars. he quoted a byzantine emperor, asserting the prophet muhammad brought things "only evil and inhuman." the comment sparked outrage and protests in many muslim countries. the pope tried to defuse the anger by clarifying the quote did not express his personal views but stopped short at an outr
. >> reporter: joseph ratzinger was elected pope benedict xvi in april of 2005. the college of cardinals did not pick an unknown quantity. he was considered one of the catholic church's finest minds. he was the professor watching the back of his star-like predecessor john paul ii, whom he served as a trusted adviser and friend. many expected the severe german cardinal would bring his strict style to the papacy, and in some ways, he has. he reaffirmed the church's strong opposition to...